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Is this episode actually called A Christmas Carol: ...You have to admit, that was slightly uncanny. Some incipient crossover... To be honest I think "Sherlock is not part of the Whoniverse" is to Moffat what "Holmes and Watson are not gay for each other in all incarnations" to Gatiss i.e. more a question of not wanting to deal with the impact ripples than anything. There is a role for fanfiction on the Internet, and there it is.

I loved A Christmas Carol as a child. We're talking six, seven here?** I read it constantly, not just at Christmas, despite the fact that I had zero understanding of what was going on, eg. why Scrooge's "surplus population" comment was awful; why Tiny Tim was going to die in the first place; what any of this stuff looked like, from shillings to waistcoat buttons to mistletoe. But the emotional journey made sense. It introduced me, I suppose, to the idea that adults lose touch with their younger selves and need to be reminded, which concept recurs often in children's literature (and from the other side of the hump, I'm not sure that's a great thing - introduces an unnecessary aspect of dread to the proceedings).

Also it contained lots of loving descriptions of food... What can I say.

I downloaded the DW special and watched it on Boxing Day evening, IIRC, with a cup of mulled wine, and my mental rating of it has since gone through an inverted bell curve. It seems to have allowed everyone to pin down what their niggle with Moffat's writing is, if only because it's such an exemplary specimen - punchy, coruscating, full of fridge logic. And not particularly character-centric, in the sense of organically allowing characters to react to situations even if it creates a mess. Mind you, if Eleven is characterized as a dude who is going to focus on the given task and not simultaneously worry about freeing all the iceboxed debt slaves, fairy nuff. But I suspect Moffat just wanted to keep his structure orderly, whereas Davies would've called someone at the Beeb and been like "Tennant must give stirring speech and lead bloodless proletariat revolution, need another 15 minutes and IDGAF where it's coming from". And I am starting to experience nostalgia for those sanctimonious snitfits of Ten's. No better time than Christmas, yanno? XD;

I had a lot of fun watching it nonetheless. Amy and Rory, dying, I have seriously read this?! It was a Star Trek fic. Five times James Kirk didn't have time to pull on his uniform before rushing onto the bridge, something like that. I particularly appreciated that they were simultaneously cosplaying different eras. And I loved the fish. UN POISSON. The opera singer and the shark bit broke my cheese-o-meter; if we have to go with demagogic your-grandma-loved-it-on-Youtube music I still prefer Kylie. (To return to the book for a second - how well I remember it! - although Abigail actually was the Platonic Dickensian heroine cypher, Scrooge's love interest wasn't. She just plain dumped him because he was turning into an asshole. And she wasn't ha-ha fridged, either.)


TRON Legacy: I have never seen the original TRON, although G rewatched it in preparation and reports that it does not stand the test of time. XD; Also multiple flisters have warned that the best way to frame this one is as a two-hour multimedia Daft Punk listening party, which, well, I am down with that. I downloaded the OST afterward, and it's not particularly satisfying through iTunes and a computer soundcard - all 2:30 snippets of string arrangements, a proper soundtrack rather than a proper Daft Punk album. But in the theatre it was majestic, darkly crystalline, a perfect symbiosis with the blacklight visuals. Neon smears that shatter like glass, glass buildings that dissolve into digital arrays. I would have given a lot to have seen this projected on the wall at a warehouse party rather than a movie theatre; that's about the level of attention the "plot" needs, anyway. The fembot eye makeup was nearly worth the elevated price of entry alone.


** People my age who were in the US public school system in the 80s: there was this book catalogue. What was that? It came something like biannually, and listed all the Newberys and Victorian classics. Beverly Cleary. George MacDonald. You ticked off the books that looked interesting, your parents wrote a cheque (I assume; I never saw this part), and the books just appeared after that. I don't even remember if they came to the school or the apartment. No memory of a limit on the number of books, or reading level. If I ever heard the words reading level while in elementary school it was spoken by adults above my head.
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Date: 2010-12-31 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
:(

My parents wouldn't buy me anything else, not candy nor toys nor clothes (to be fair, we were q. poor at the time and I wasn't brought up to ask XD;). But books were limited only by desire. This resulted, figure it for a psychology lesson, in a personality that doesn't hoard books at all.

Date: 2010-12-31 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com
What I want to know is, howcum you were reading in English at age six, and reading something at the level of Dickens? Hadn't you just arrived from China at the time?

Date: 2010-12-31 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
I arrived at the age of not-quite-5 (it was January), was sent into the kindergarten class as soon as I turned 5 a month later, effectively accelerating me a year**, and I was caught up within... oh, three months on the outside. XD; It's not like anyone else was reading ahahaha, we all did phonics together in the first grade, and I already knew the Western alphabet (since I could read pinyin). I was lucky to be part of the phonics generation; that method meshed well with my brain. I taught my sister to read using phonics when she was three, and it went pretty fast.

** If I'd been born in the US I would've had to wait until September - I actually have no idea why The Authorities did this? My parents must've told them that I'd done 4-year-old kindergarten and that I should start learning English rather than hang around at home. Then I was tested halfway through second grade and sent to the third grade after Thanksgiving break. So when I say I was six or seven, I meant I was in the third grade, by which point it wasn't weird for my peers, the children of Cornell professors, to be able to handle Scholastic Book Club material. I wasn't ready for Dickens, strictly speaking, but my grandparents' idea of appropriate reading material for 4-year-olds was newspapers, Tang dynasty poetry and Conan Doyle, so I was used to guessing every third word from context. XD;;

The next November we moved to Canada, and I mourned my aging brain bitterly when it took me the whole rest of the school year to graduate from the welcoming class. XD; I was way advanced in math (it was kind of an inner city school), but that just meant I had to do fifth grade math twice.
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Date: 2010-12-31 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Yeah, I don't buy books except as a matter of convenience, mostly: if it's not borrow-able, or I can't tachiyomi it at one go, or nowadays if Amazon is easier than getting my butt off the chair. XD; Even then I only buy if I have a reasonable expectation of reading a book multiple times. I don't feel a need for "my own copies", and I rarely buy books that sit around unread. I've never owned the majority of my favorite books.

I've never thrown away a book because that's how I was brought up. Bound and printed material doesn't leave this house once it's entered. XD;; My dad, who is the most laid-back person otherwise, doesn't even lend his books. I lent an old textbook to [livejournal.com profile] smurfmatic once and my mother bugged me for like a YEAR to get it back.

Date: 2010-12-31 12:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
Scholastic Book Club! We had a subscription to that. I also had a credit card that I was allowed to use on Amazon.com, but only for books. More trips to the library would have saved my parents a lot of money.

Date: 2010-12-31 12:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
What she said XD.

Date: 2010-12-31 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aishuu.livejournal.com
I wondered if it was Scholastic? The Scholastic Club tended to have the current "popular" books (Christopher Pike and RL Stine FTW!) and a couple of the "Good" books mixed in, but a lot of it was popular stuff (read ANYTHING, doesn't matter WHAT, seemed to have been the motto), some trinkets like bookmarks or coloring kits, and a free poster if you ordered a certain dollar figure of merchandise.

Scholastic was monthly and delivered to the schools (the schools got a small cut of the proceeds, and the teachers used the 10 percent to buy books for our classroom). It might have been a different company, since I think there was several doing it... I believe Scholastic also had the infamous Traveling Book Sale....

Why no, I wasn't a book geek at all.

Date: 2010-12-31 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Ping, yes, what you all said. XD I just couldn't remember what it was called, although I could see it in my mind's eye... It certainly wasn't all Literature by any means, I think I got a couple of choose-your-own-adventure D&D books through that.

Date: 2010-12-31 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aishuu.livejournal.com
Those CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURES! *swoonnnnnssss* My god, they were crap, but they were fun crap. Fear Street was the big one when I was in 4-6 grade...

Date: 2010-12-31 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canis-m.livejournal.com
RE: Choose Your Own Adventures, remember how Ellen Kushner wrote one (http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Secret-Room-Choose-Adventure/dp/055326270X) (obv I still have original copy from 3rd grade; it made a tremendous impression actually; if I were ever to send her fanmail it would be about this ahaha).

With the Scholastic free posters it was always a choice between, like, majestic horse or fuzzy kitten.

Still have not even downloaded Doctor Who nrgh.



HOWEVER I DO REMEMBER THOSE POSTERS OMG

Date: 2010-12-31 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Dying, I did not know that at all. XD I only had two choose-your-own-adventures, and they were both classically D&D. My introduction to the concepts of orcs and elves, actually (only started Tolkien when I was 9).

Date: 2010-12-31 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canis-m.livejournal.com
I also had only two CYOA--the other was By Balloon to the Sahara (sort of...Indiana Jones-style action-adventure?), so I missed the D&D ones entirely. But Kushner's was my introduction to the concept of griffins. One of the bad ends is if you try to feed the griffin canned cat food; iirc he claws you to death in righteous outrage. XD

Orcs 'n' elves I was pretty late to. Tried The Hobbit in 5th grade and somehow found it deadly boring, which put me off (poss. I just didn't care about Bilbo? ahaha); after repeated recs from my dad I skipped to FotR and had a much better time with that.

Date: 2010-12-31 08:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] acchikocchi.livejournal.com
Oh boy, I had around half a dozen of the fuzzy kitten posters.

Date: 2010-12-31 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canis-m.livejournal.com
I had a wall of majestic horses!

Date: 2010-12-31 08:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
We totally got the Scholastic catalogs, and book fairs, too - many a childhood favorite was obtained thusly. (quite a few of which I've been rereading thanks to Yuletide...)

I too read A Christmas Carol off-season and repeatedly; I remember being quite disappointed in jr high we were assigned Great Expectations and it proved to be nowhere near as awesome as I'd expected from Dickens, based on that single previous experience. (now have copyright-free Carol on my Kindle...)

Complete agreement with Who; was much snappy fun, and if Moffat's stories are totally plot-driven, at least they're clever sparkly plots. Still, I miss the emotional variance of RTD's characters. If only their respective egos wouldn't bar them from writing together; really a meld between them would be the ultimate Who for me.

Date: 2010-12-31 09:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholastic_Books

We had the Scholastic Book Club back in the Sixties. I remember that it was run by Scholastic Book Services. I have a great memory for things I don't need to know (as opposed to recalling where I put my address book).

Date: 2010-12-31 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] triestine.livejournal.com
it does not stand the test of time

I don't know... to me it's timeless due to its pretty unique look. It was strange then and it's strange now, but I wouldn't say it got better or worse with time.

Date: 2010-12-31 06:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] credoimprobus
Y'know, I don't even have any opinions on the christmas special*, because THE S6 TRAILER WIPED EVERYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE IT FROM MY BRAIN. Possibly I should consider rewatching it. XD; XD;

*) well, "TOO LITTLE COMPANIONS" aside, anyway. And I won't front about giving a proper little squee about Arthur Darvill's name ~*in the credits*~, haha.

Date: 2010-12-31 06:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] credoimprobus
PS: I as well wouldn't agree about OG Tron not standing the test of time, but this may be because I didn't see it until my twenties, in the first place. Can't get disillusioned by effects losing their lustre, at least, when they were already outdated the first time you saw it. :D (And I do think the story holds up, in that Classic Geek Shiz kind of way if nothing else, or at least I did the last time I watched it.)

Haven't really felt inclined to see the new one until it hits home video, but -- would you recommend this one as a must-see on big screen? I hate 3D screenings, but I know how it is with effects-heavy films (especially ones where the effects are the main attraction, ha)... :/

Date: 2011-01-01 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caz963.livejournal.com
But I suspect Moffat just wanted to keep his structure orderly,

*nods*

whereas Davies would've called someone at the Beeb and been like "Tennant must give stirring speech and lead bloodless proletariat revolution, need another 15 minutes and IDGAF where it's coming from".

LOL! Oh, he totally would have.

popped in via [livejournal.com profile] who_daily

Date: 2011-01-01 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uminohikari.livejournal.com
Aha, Scholastic is still going strong~ My brother's in elementary school now and gets those catalogs.

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