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petroniaMy sister is reading the most tattered copy ever of The King Must Die. Thus I am reading it too. Logically speaking I don't think it's a sequel to anything, but tell me if it is (Tuna didn't realise The Persian Boy was Book 2, so). It's all very Greco-Roman lately: sororial unit is also reading I, Claudius, to which my dad is listening in audiobook. It's alarming to realise how little I retain of the actual text, apart from the fact that I enjoyed it. But then Robert Graves is a childhood thing for me, like Tolkien, and whenever I think about Greek myths they come to me in the warm humourous professorial voice in which I first "heard" them narrated. So I shall just have to read I, Claudius again.
Maybe I'll go buy it.
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...Yeah, okay, I've been watching R.O.D. TV. Burned the first eight eps for![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
starlighter - my love for Yukino Satsuki knows no bounds. She's definitely one of my favorite female seiyuu, close to topping the list. And the animation is jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Saa, minna, watch it with me. Then we can all write wistful femslash go out and buy some books, or something.
In other news, I finally got around to watching Finding Nemo, but forgot to blog a note to that effect in the whirl ofstarlighter's visit. XD And thanks to her I'm incubating some sort of meta-meta-discourse on Hojo Akira's characterisation and recurrent themes that's guaranteed to bore even the ZukaFuji shipper sub-group of the TeniPuri contigent. I lit-crit doujinshi, that's how spehshul I am. >_>
In other-other news... you know, I always figured Toshiki x Ren would be interesting. As in I'd write it. But with GetBackers I stick like a burr to manga continuity, so it would require me to Make Shit Up, and furthermore confuse myself like mad with the way the anime and manga contradict each other. But it's an example of something I was thinking when reading this thread ofincandescens's, which is that my crack pairings tend to be het and vice-versa. ^^;; Hullo, Atobe x An! Or Yuuta x An, for obvious dynamic reasons. I say this with a clear conscience, as I'm very sure An isn't some sort of Mary Sue for me; the proof of which is, uh, that at various times I've also considered Tezuka x Yumiko (see, now there's one with a transgressive social dynamic), Tezuka x Sakuno (beckymarie's fault plus it's like obviously early Harry x Ginny), Atobe x Tomoka (theirloveissobeautymark), various other Tomoka pairings I shall elide out of belated good sense, and the Sengoku x Yumiko I keep talking about. It's all unspeakably sad, when you consider that my reaction to, for instance, Sanada x Atobe is "...say what?"** But as canon!het is often unspeakably boring, so does crack!het carry an impish appeal. Or possibly this is another mark of spehshulness.
And now I'm thinking, damn, I should've made a quiz like![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-syndicated.gif)
worldserpent said to and used the above as one of the questions. XD
** Well, actually that's not really fair. I do read TeniPuri BL arbitrarily defined as crack, though the idea tends to be less compelling the further away it gets from canon (and I had to learn the hard way that random St.R pairings are just traumatising to me =_=). And I suppose one day I shall ask the flist to give me their Top 10 List Of BeKami Fics or something, so I won't have to wade. But I think I just have an issue with Sanada, more than anything else. Tuna said - wisely - that it all sort of depends on whether you can picture Sanada dancing, and that if you couldn't you have no business reading those crack pairings.
Maybe I'll go buy it.
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...Yeah, okay, I've been watching R.O.D. TV. Burned the first eight eps for
starlighter - my love for Yukino Satsuki knows no bounds. She's definitely one of my favorite female seiyuu, close to topping the list. And the animation is jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Saa, minna, watch it with me. Then we can all In other news, I finally got around to watching Finding Nemo, but forgot to blog a note to that effect in the whirl of
starlighter's visit. XD And thanks to her I'm incubating some sort of meta-meta-discourse on Hojo Akira's characterisation and recurrent themes that's guaranteed to bore even the ZukaFuji shipper sub-group of the TeniPuri contigent. I lit-crit doujinshi, that's how spehshul I am. >_>In other-other news... you know, I always figured Toshiki x Ren would be interesting. As in I'd write it. But with GetBackers I stick like a burr to manga continuity, so it would require me to Make Shit Up, and furthermore confuse myself like mad with the way the anime and manga contradict each other. But it's an example of something I was thinking when reading this thread of
incandescens's, which is that my crack pairings tend to be het and vice-versa. ^^;; Hullo, Atobe x An! Or Yuuta x An, for obvious dynamic reasons. I say this with a clear conscience, as I'm very sure An isn't some sort of Mary Sue for me; the proof of which is, uh, that at various times I've also considered Tezuka x Yumiko (see, now there's one with a transgressive social dynamic), Tezuka x Sakuno (beckymarie's fault plus it's like obviously early Harry x Ginny), Atobe x Tomoka (theirloveissobeautymark), various other Tomoka pairings I shall elide out of belated good sense, and the Sengoku x Yumiko I keep talking about. It's all unspeakably sad, when you consider that my reaction to, for instance, Sanada x Atobe is "...say what?"** But as canon!het is often unspeakably boring, so does crack!het carry an impish appeal. Or possibly this is another mark of spehshulness.And now I'm thinking, damn, I should've made a quiz like
worldserpent said to and used the above as one of the questions. XD** Well, actually that's not really fair. I do read TeniPuri BL arbitrarily defined as crack, though the idea tends to be less compelling the further away it gets from canon (and I had to learn the hard way that random St.R pairings are just traumatising to me =_=). And I suppose one day I shall ask the flist to give me their Top 10 List Of BeKami Fics or something, so I won't have to wade. But I think I just have an issue with Sanada, more than anything else. Tuna said - wisely - that it all sort of depends on whether you can picture Sanada dancing, and that if you couldn't you have no business reading those crack pairings.
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Date: 2004-03-21 11:42 pm (UTC)...of course, I say this despite the fact that I'm playing Ren in the RPG, have wonderful rapport between my characters and those belonging to Toshiki's player in general (and Ren adores him very close second to Kazuki), and yet have utterly no intention of getting them together because Ren is 13, but... that's why I'm eee-ing at the idea, I think, because you're not stuck writing it in close-to-series-time.
Also, I am all about the crack het GB pairings, as the fact that I not only think MakubeX/Sakura is (nearly) canon, but also was seriously considering MakubeX/Natsumi after reading that post, will attest to. Then again, Kagami/Himiko came from Aoki and Ayamine's crack pipe, so maybe it's just that GB is all about the crack het anyway, when it's not being boys love for boys. ;)
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Date: 2004-03-22 09:52 am (UTC)MakubeX x Sakura is quasi-canon for me too. And Kagami x Himiko is a bright spot for me (sankyuu, sensei-tachi), not only for its own enemyslash merits but because it makes Ban so damned twitchy. Like there's no winning with Brain Trust. XD
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:57 am (UTC)...you too? Well, to be specific, in my little universe I've let
But no, not necessarily smutty even when she is older. It's a fascinating dynamic, though. I love watching them interact in the anime, and I've got to get Ren out to play more in the RPG. She's been wanting to talk to Toshiki for ages, in fact.
(They've probably never even met in the manga, have they? ;_; I have the Card arc, but I haven't looked at it much -- I don't know enough about it. I'm good at picking up smaller details from something that I've had summarized well, and I can often follow along with new parts of a familar series that are being doled out one chapter at a time, but I can't look at 5 whole volumes of unfamiliar plot and make any sense of them.)
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Date: 2004-03-22 12:09 pm (UTC)They haven't outright met in the manga. But there's no reason to assume they couldn't have - or even that it's unlikely they did - given Toshiki actually goes off with Juubei to join Nouveau Volts under MakubeX at the end of the Cards Arc, rather than the two of them tagging along with Kadzuki as the latter bops around Tokyo poking his nose into things, which is what you'd expect. >_> Really the problem is more that... Ren hasn't appeared in the manga since forever, and I don't know if she's going to come back at all.
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Date: 2004-03-21 11:43 pm (UTC)Does this mean I am no longer the only one who kind of maybe sees Gakuto/Tomoka? Or Kaidou/Sakuno? *crickets chirp* Oh well.
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Date: 2004-03-22 09:42 am (UTC)I've actually read Japanese Jirou x Tomoka fic. Which is crack, don't get me wrong, but not any more crack (in the sense of unimaginable) than some of the BL pairings.
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Date: 2004-03-22 11:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-03-22 12:38 pm (UTC)The thing, also, is that Jfen who write PoT hetfic makes absolutely no bones about the fact that it's placeholder Mary Sue-ing, because Mary Sue is nothing to be ashamed of in Jfandom. ^^; I've come across sites that had you-are-the-heroine CGI scripts, where you plug in your name and it's used to fill in the blanks in the fic.
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Date: 2004-03-22 04:03 pm (UTC)Yes, I've seen those CGI scripts too. Isn't that called dream novel or something?
Mmm, but I could Sue myself into An, but I couldn't Sue myself into Tomoka. The appeal of such a fic would hinge on actually characterizing her as someone with a personality separate from the reader, as opposed to a total self-insert. (OMG! He's kind of hot, I'll have to admit,but he is from the school of Satan!!! etc. Obviously myself in the TeniPuri world would be a confirmed Hyoutei fangirl from the beginning. Or more likely I'd be in the Rikkaidai cheering squad. :P But Tomoka in the anime is very boo-hiss about the rival school players.)
Am disturbed by your fascination with pairing Yumiko up with underage boys. XD
And what random St. Rudolph BL pairings (I see you have excised the term 'yaoi' from your vocab)? I'm almost afraid to ask. (Yangagisawa/Kisarazu: theirloveissoDaNe Kaneda/Nomura: We've forgotten what their love was about, actually. )
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Date: 2004-03-22 08:49 pm (UTC)Yumiko and underaged boys (but who isn't in this series? it's a bit unfair XD) because older woman / younger man is one of the few forms of het that really are somewhat transgressive, counter to traditional expectations. In the original thread it was mentioned that the erotic charge of m/m rests on a certain free renegotiation of power/control/status/whatever, and about the only way you could get that in m/f is if the woman started off with the power/status/self-regard, and had the control/will to exercise it, and allows herself to be "the uke". I'm thinking now of a passage in Pierre Louys where Cleopatra, barely in her teens, commands a savage and physically imposing slave to lie with her. ...But to bring it back to something more closely resembling reality, when the difference in age between the two charas is ten years, and one of them is 14, that's a pretty devastating disequilibrium of power/status/control. It's devastating enough that if it were older man / young girl, you'd have to sugarcoat it throughly (and make the girl Wise Beyond Her Age) for it not to seem Very Bad. Even if it were older woman / young boy, if the woman were doing the prowling, it'd also seem Sorta Bad. (So I wouldn't want to do Saori x Tezuka, let's put it that way >_>) It only creates a see-saw of negotiated control if you had a boy/young man determined to capture an alluring self-assured older woman, who maybe doesn't think she should take him seriously.
...WTF is with this essay I just tossed out? ^^; Uh, this wasn't my train of thought for coming up with Yumiko x Tezuka exactly, I just read a fic with it and thought it was sexy. But it's the correct explanation for why, I suppose.
St.R pairings... I've seen them all by this point. ^^;
It's not concern with setting Wfandom an example that causes me to excise "yaoi" from my vocabulary. I just bum around on Jfansites so much that my terminology has aligned itself accordingly, and nowadays calling something "yaoi" that isn't PWP makes me twitch. ^^; Same thing with calling a character "bishounen" when he isn't under-15.
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:35 pm (UTC)Hmmm. I'm not really convinced that the entire erotic charge of m/m does rest on free exchange, at least for everyone, not with all the master-servant dynamics where it's the servant who's the uke, and all of the other times where the power dynamics are extremely obvious from canon and not very transgressive at all (depending on how you define trasgression). But on the other hand, I have to admit I'm not a credidentialed BL fan and more of an observer. I don't know, it's just for me that 'transgression' isn't something that is necessary an automatic selling point. After awhile transgression, abstractly, begins to become its own convention. (Says person who reads and sometimes eagerly seeks fanfic on canon couples)
St. R: I just got 20.5 today, and my urge to learn kanji has been redoubled. (Kisarazu selfishly using Nomura for sex? Where does that come from? The writer remembered that Nomura existed? ) Oh yes, I think I tried to block out that segment in my mind. (Damn, you'd think with the constant sex everyone in that fic would be too tired to play tennis)
Terminology: so they do use yaoi on fansites to designate PWP? Interesting. (Are the TeniPuri boys bishounen? Most have just turned fifteen, after all. I would think morally only Ryouma and Dan are...)
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Date: 2004-03-22 06:15 am (UTC)Toshiki is interesting (and far more so in the manga than the anime). There's lots that one feels one could do with him. I would dearly love to write something involving Toshiki and the kids, or Lucifer x Toshiki, if only I had a better idea of what was going on during those manga passages. ;) Oh well, it'll be out in French in a couple of years . . .
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:34 am (UTC)Eheheheh. Yes. ^^; I haven't even got those volumes myself, though I really really should. And then post a summary or something.
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Date: 2004-03-22 02:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-03-22 12:01 pm (UTC)-mjj
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