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[petronia]

Am I the only one who hates plagiarism controversies because she doesn't give a shit about plagiarism?

I am, aren't I?

...Darnit.

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[sjdr.livejournal.com]

Nope.

I mean, I think people who plagiarize are really, really lame and pathetic... but, on the other hand, you know, it's fanfiction.

Getting that up-in-arms just strikes me as kind of undignified. Not that it's easy to just shrug off when it's your stuff, but.

[petronia.livejournal.com]

Actually, what pisses me off is that people seem to expect a disclaimer every time a character thinks a line from Sylvia Plath, or something. Where I come from, a reader who can ID a Sylvia Plath line in fanfic gets an aw-aren't-you-a-smart-English-major pat on the head, not the holy right to run the ficcer out of fandom. Bleh. >_<

(Suppose I write that HP-as-KtKnU parody I keep threatening. The only way that would work is if I did it as incredibly serious-sounding HPfic, except with 70's-shoujo-melodrama and Malfoy selling himself to Marcus Flint for his Transfiguration notes. And post it just like that, because explaining the joke more or less ruins it, dunnit? Except of course, then I'd be "plagiarising" Takemiya Keiko. Not that anyone would know who she was, but you see my point.)

As for the other, I'm seriously considering putting my own fanfiction under a version of the GNU licence. Open source! Steal all you like, my wee mousies! If you can make my pr0n hotter, I'd be happy to see it!

...I need sleep.

[sjdr.livejournal.com]

I'll have you know Galeon crashed three times whilst I was replying to this, and then my DSL went out for a day. Obviously, it's a conspiracy.

Actually, what pisses me off is that people seem to expect a disclaimer every time a character thinks a line from Sylvia Plath, or something. Where I come from, a reader who can ID a Sylvia Plath line in fanfic gets an aw-aren't-you-a-smart-English-major pat on the head, not the holy right to run the ficcer out of fandom. Bleh. >_<

That doesn't even deserve the label 'plagiarism', as far as I'm concerned. You'd think that the fangirls using terms like 'intertextuality' to hide the fact that they're talking about amateur !gay porn would at least be able to ke ep definitions straight.

Hell, in my family, that wouldn't even get you a pat on the head. I knew who Plath was when I was about ten; same with knowing that "the milk of human kindness" == Shakespeare. It's the same as knowing who painted the "view of Delpft" or which composer mean when they talk about "the toccata and fugue" (and which key it was in), or knowing who invented/discovered alternating current, or being able to explain some of Maxwell's equations (none of which I learned in school); it's just stuff that kids in my family picked up. I don't know which is sadder -- that there are people who don't know this stuff, or people who think it makes them special.

A lot of this plagiarism-accustion stuff really does seem like an ego boost and an anti-BNF excercise: the accuser gets points because she's smart enough to recognize the "stolen" line, and moral props because she's Doing The Right Thing, and of course she keeps her ass clean and has Author's Notes.

Bah.

(Suppose I write that HP-as-KtKnU parody I keep threatening. The only way that would work is if I did it as incredibly serious-sounding HPfic, except with 70's-shoujo-melodrama and Malfoy selling himself to Marcus Flint for his Transfiguration notes. And post it just like that, because explaining the joke more or less ruins it, dunnit? Except of course, then I'd be "plagiarising" Takemiya Keiko. Not that anyone would know who she was, but you see my point.)

Dare you.

I have AS fic on the bowels of my hard drive -- er, RAID, whatever -- that blatantly copies a scene out of End of Evangelion (with different characters, a hugely different context, and no mechs), three kinds of Kabbalah, has puns in three languages, makes allusions to Milton, Dante, Lewis Carroll, and Jeff Noon. The point isn't to provide an education in classics for the ignorant, it's to amuse myself and Angie. I have to wonder if these people are the types who'd go to the school guidance counsellors when other people had in-jokes that they weren't in on (which, yes, I saw happen in high school).

... wonder what these twerps would make of reading Pilgrim's Progess and The Inferno side by side.

As for the other, I'm seriously considering putting my own fanfiction under a version of the GNU licence. Open source! Steal all you like, my wee mousies! If you can make my pr0n hotter, I'd be happy to see it!

Open Content license. And... again, dare you. I'd be horribly curious to see the results.

[sjdr.livejournal.com]

Oh, and I forgot to ask: if you did put yourself under one of the GPL-clones for creative stuff, would you ask for credit? Given that such provisions are usually part-and-parcel of open source/free software licenses. (In fact, it's pretty much the only provision of the BSD license... I know too much about this stuff.)

[petronia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I would. Because that's about the only thing that'd allow me to track the meme. Also I'm a fame whore. ^_^

(I've been thinking about this a long time, actually, and I don't think it would even be a sacrifice of any kind. I don't *emotionally* understand how actual fanfiction writers could get upset at other people playing around with *their* stuff, credit given where due. I really don't.)

I think I'll go read through a few of said licenses first, though. To make sure I know what I'm talking about.

[sjdr.livejournal.com]

Forget upset -- I wish people would use my fanon, when it's actually good. Credit given, but if we're talking about ideas and not lifting-of-text, I don't see how someone could not want their memes to propagate. Maybe if it got to the point where someone's fanon took over a particular fandom, making it impossible to find fic with any other view of the world (*coughcoughTalya/GundamWcoughcough*), thus depriving one of variety, but... good lord. Please, people, you want the polyamorous, bisexual techno-Jew Al Bhed, you take 'em. You want my butload of Lulu backstory? Have fun. Here, have my entire FFX and Suikoden universes. Enjoy 'em. How could someone not want more people writing about their view of a particular anime/manga/game/book/show?

Every person who adopts your fanon is just one less time you have to stab yourself in the eye with a rusty spoon when reading the Pit of Voles, is how I see it.

... you know, I'd do it myself, but I have almost nothing finished and no one reads my stuff.

don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

You're not the only one. The concept of plagirism has always seemed a bit strange to me, maybe it's because I'm used to pirated goods ^^;;; But I've always felt that the Western world tend to make it into a real big deal, the whole public-humiliation and ostricisation of people who forgot to reference a poem on their own journal is just going beyond witch hunt.

Hmm, one think one should stop blabbing on your jounrnal, one's taking up valuable space, and one really should move it to one's own blog before one gets into a major rant mode ^^;;;; Sorry for the unnecessary blah, the point is, yes, plagirism controversies annoy me greatly, becuase most of the time I don't care.

lilack

Re: don't get it

[petronia.livejournal.com]

No, I think you're absolutely right. Maybe I'm just mercenary, but no one's making any money off it, and academic rigour in citing is hardly required in the field. ^^; I don't see it, I really don't.

I'm pretty sure that I've done everything Cassie Claire has ever been accused of doing, plagiarism-wise. Maybe if I say it often enough I could stir up a controversy and get on fandom_wank. [/bitchy]