petronia

I have been staying well away from it. XD I don't want to find out that

canis_m and I started it all! This is probably overstating Kristin's and my significance, but not overstating Aja's.

My comment to

xparrot's post (which is in the grand and beloved tradition of pointing out that people are using the same word to mean different things in an argument):

Actually, none of these types of Mary Sue bother me. They're too obvious, so I either look past them, or find them charming in the way of juvenilia. XD; The type of self-insert that bugs me is the one written by people (fan or pro) who "know better" - yanno, who're too old and sophisticated ~~and self-doubting~~ to even have retained the ability to imagine themselves into the setting as the beautiful violet-eyed plot-warping woobie heroine. Instead they imagine themselves in as a secondary character who is clearly stated to be Not Beautiful, but is obviously Very Intelligent, allowed to wander around in the background doing as she pleases, and (key!) is friends with the main characters but Definitely Not Crushing on anyone, and in fact Completely Unimpressed By And Resistant To Their Charisma, Really.

Examples will NOT be provided upon request. XDDD