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Opinions plz:

1) Is "the Dark" in Vagrant Story just... the same thing as "Mist", or what? It would explain something that's always confused me about VS's worldbuilding, namely that not nearly everything mystical-powered in Lea Monde was Dark-aligned - which is what I'd expect if it were a sink of literally-Dark energy like everyone in-game said it was. Kilteans in FFXII don't seem to engage in more necromancy than average ahaha, and as for the Iocus priesthood... there are Light spells in VS too. :x If you collapsed the lot and did sums (i.e. the end of the game) you'd get a Dark alignment overall, I guess, but there are uh. Several historical cities' worth of dead people down there.

It just seems suspiciously easy to map onto the pattern whereby a patriarchal monotheistic religious institution enters the picture and suddenly all signifiers of previous religious/mystical beliefs/practices go from neutral to demonic evil. I don't think there's any such thing in VS as magic that doesn't draw on the Dark.

...I'm not sure if this means Ashley is really a bipedal piece of nethicite, or what. XD;

2) Does this look like Basch and Ashe to you?



It's so hard to tell when they're twenty pixels tall. *squints*

Date: 2007-02-14 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motorbike.livejournal.com
WACKY FANFICTION OFFSHOOT DS GAME ACTION GO TIME!!!

That's about as Basch and Ashe as pixels can get, yeah.

Date: 2007-02-14 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
And Basch *squints* still in clankbot mode, too!

"For a change, in this screencap we have Balthier being a dick and Fran laying the smack down."

Date: 2007-02-14 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motorbike.livejournal.com
"WHAT? THAT'S CRAZY. THAT NEVER HAPPENS!"

(Balthier's flipping someone the ole two fingers.)

Game's about five seconds away from HIGH SCHOOL AU levels of arbitrary. I do like that Vaan's LPC (Loyal Pirate Crew) is made up of his street homies. YES EVEN THE SURFER CHICK.

Didn't Ba'Gamnan die horribly? I watched it happen. Twice even, because I like that part.

Date: 2007-02-14 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
It's gotta be bad. Look at Penelo! She looks so angry! Hands on hips and everything.

Didn't Ba'Gamnan die horribly?

Funnily enough I said that about Tseng and Rufus.

Date: 2007-02-14 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motorbike.livejournal.com
"YOU DIED!"
"I ducked."
"YOU WERE DEAD!"
"I was fine."

Vaan's all huffy too. Ashe and Basch have these ...Is this a bad time? poses.

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Date: 2007-02-14 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mithrigil.livejournal.com
YES and yes.

I see the catastrophe that turned FFXII into Tactics and then Vagrant Story as strengthening and, well, rendering even more malevolent the Mist. Also, the faiths that crop up between XII and VS are the whitewashing kind, that dismiss anything remotely magical as, well, the opposite of light. I can see the term "Mist" collapsing with antiquity when whatever catacylsm comes, and "Dark" being the one applied when it is "rediscovered".

Date: 2007-02-14 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nangke.livejournal.com
Augh, you're making me really, really want to play FFXII. ^o^;

Date: 2007-02-14 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Well, if Vagrant Story II with more budget, more meandering, and 200% more sunlight is what floats your boat. XD;

Date: 2007-02-14 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nangke.livejournal.com
Vagrant Story should've gotten a budget slice to begin with. >:D If only XII and X could switch their dominant elements, I'd probably have gotten XII by now (am such a hydrophile). >D;

Date: 2007-02-14 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nangke.livejournal.com
*er, bigger budget slice, that is.

Date: 2007-02-14 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canis-m.livejournal.com
Red miniskirt smells like Ashe. And I read somewhere that Basch was going to be in Revenant Wings. *twitch*

Fran's wisdom is sage.



Date: 2007-02-14 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
"The man who wants to be free is the one to run away." OHSNAP

Date: 2007-02-14 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motorbike.livejournal.com
.....SO THEY'RE SHAGGING?

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Date: 2007-02-14 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canis-m.livejournal.com
~ "Men who want to be free run (away), it's what they do."

Date: 2007-02-14 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motorbike.livejournal.com
NICE. TWOFER.

Date: 2007-02-14 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aefallen.livejournal.com
Okay, I am a horrible person with no sense of character recognition. I would have said that the person in front was Vaan, and the one behind Rasler, if given no clues at all. Or maybe it's just the FFXII version of the Rorschach Test in which we see what we want to see.

Date: 2007-02-14 06:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] prototypical
Wait....XII and VS are related? I never got through VS because of the godforsaken block puzzles. Makes me regret selling it *sighs*.

Date: 2007-02-14 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonsheen.livejournal.com
I think it's possibly two sides of the same coin. The Kiltians in FFXII expressly worship The Light, while in VS the prevelant power is The Dark--which makes sense what with VS's theme of IT'S BAD TO TWIST OLD PAGAN FAITHS TO YOUR OWN CONVENIENCE, KIDS. I think there's sort of an implication, and this is me making wild guesses, that Lea Monde itself was eventually built over the ruins of Nabudis. The Dark Elemental that hangs around there is called 'the Leamonde Entite', and if things were allowed to grow back in the wastelands and all the mist and the murk receded you probably would get that lovely sparse south of france look that you get a glimpse of in the beginning of VS...

Date: 2007-02-15 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Last night I had a moment of stunning revelation re: this - that was 3AM, the logic is much less clear now. XD;; It had to do with Iocus, whom I've always found to be a rather enigmatic figure in VS's mythology - a holy fraternity of the Light native to Lea Monde? A massive cathedral built half on top of a still-standing Kildean temple?

It's like Lea Monde potentially belongs to the Light as much as to the Dark, but no one conceives of it this way. Now I wonder if the Kildean sect didn't go extinct (from persecution?) so much as it went legit.

I don't know if Nabudis is right going by timeline and geography (both are exceedingly murky - it's about the right latitude, at least), but there's an idea. o_O

Date: 2007-02-15 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mithrigil.livejournal.com
The island seems too small and distanced for it to be Nabudis... I pegged it futher west, one of the islands just off the coast of Valendia about the same longitude as Raithwall's tomb. (It's also in where Landis was before the conquering happened, in headspace.)

Date: 2007-02-14 12:40 pm (UTC)
pantswarrior: "I am love. Find me, walk beside me..." (mullenkamp)
From: [personal profile] pantswarrior
...I was just thinking about the relationship between the Mist and the Dark earlier tonight. Specifically, the Occuria and the Mist and the Dark. I formulated this bizarre theory, based on various VS implications that the Dark is essentially the energy of the dead made energy again. This is why when it passes over corpses, those souls that are a part of the Dark take over, etc. In that sense, it's different from the other elements, but mostly only because people think death = bad rather than death = part of the cycle of nature, and because it is more likely to take than give, to kill than heal, and so on.

...At any rate. I started wondering if the Occuria, seeing as they look like ghosts or some other variety of undead, might actually be some variety of undead... or rather an amalgamation of many souls who came together in the Dark, probably in some unique circumstance that broke them off from the larger portion of the Dark so that they could form a unique consciousness. Thus they set themselves up as gods, then along comes this one multi-souled being calling him/herself Venat whose souls actually think this is kind of a jerky thing to do...

Anyway. Basch and Ashe. So I want to know where Larsa is. Where's my pixellated little prince? :(

Date: 2007-02-14 04:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] celestriad.livejournal.com
whoa, wait, where's that screen from? o_O

Date: 2007-02-14 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
FFXII: Revenant Wings, a sequel for Nintendo DS.

Date: 2007-02-15 12:38 am (UTC)
ext_99196: (luxord go bye-bye XD)
From: [identity profile] celestriad.livejournal.com
o_o i was wondering what revenant wings would look like... they're all so cute! ♥ i wonder if it'll come out here in the u.s.

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