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A Proof by Contradiction (Eight Primary Sources)

Implicit spoilers for the entirety of the series (if you didn't read it already as part of [livejournal.com profile] blind_go). Lightly edited and about 600 words longer than the version posted to [livejournal.com profile] answer_key. Part V was the first section I started writing, and the last section I finished writing; it was like pulling teeth. ^^;

Author's Notes:

The HnG fic I always wanted to write. Or rather, the HnG fic that encompasses everything I wanted to say about the series at the time I first read it. ^^; All the (mostly male) HnG fans I knew offline as well as many of those (mostly female) I knew online were inspired by the series to start playing go, and some of them became quite serious about it. Probably as a reverse psychological reaction, I never learnt to play. XD Instead I read online white papers about go-playing programs, and their implications for the field of artificial intelligence. I found it fascinating that you couldn't rely on full-board lookahead, and instead had to implement pattern recognition heuristics loosely based on those of the human brain. "Sai playing net go" was virtually the definition of a ghost in the machine, only the real explanation was much simpler. So I came up with the idea of an alternate Sai: "a computer program, capable of playing go at the level of a 8-dan or 9-dan, that by virtue of being such is also able to pass the Turing Test with ease." A Singularity story, in other words, where Singularity = Hand of God.

I couldn't figure out a way of writing it with the actual HnG characters, though, because none of them would/could program anything of the sort. Unless (I kept thinking) Hikaru got hit by a Mack truck or something, and Akira decided to create a virtual version of him so they could keep playing and attain the Hand of God. [1] But why the heck would I voluntarily write a story in which Hikaru gets hit by a Mack truck??

orz

When I was gently peer-pressured into signing up for [livejournal.com profile] blind_go I needed a fic concept - any fic concept - pretty badly, but it was [livejournal.com profile] obakesan's Anti-OTP Challenge that made me dust this one off. I couldn't submit it to both but the idea was there. Mind you "one half of the OTP gets hit by a Mack truck" is a crude response to the challenge of defining "anti-OTP", but then I thought, the reason people write gratuitously angsty deathfics is because they're proof by contradiction, innit? In lieu of a straightforward proof in which the characters get married and have babies and live happily together until they're 100 years old, you show that without the OTP, things fall apart. Also, "proof by contradiction" would make a great name for a band title for the fic itself ahaha.

I still didn't know how to write it until the interview format came to mind (I only had the one nebulous scene in mind, Ashiwara's, plus a lot of jumbled essay bobbins on evolution etc.), and then I wrote it very fast - Monday to Friday of deadline week, at an average of 1000 words a night. ^^; It was meant to be SF but the characters themselves threw me for a loop: as I wrote I realised most of them did not believe, at all, that this virtual!Hikaru was a computer program, or else considered it irrelevant. XD So in the end I left the metaphysics wide open. The canon is a supernatural series, though I tend to forget the fact.

Sometime after I finished I realised I'd written two other interview/epistolary fics in the past six months that dealt explicitly with the same themes, and that I was going to write another in short order. I've lost count of how many people I know, both online and offline, who've had deaths and medical emergencies in their families this past year (including my own), and suspect it filtered through as a fictional preoccupation.

Thanks once again to everyone who commented and said kind things, as well as to the organisers of [livejournal.com profile] blind_go who gave me the excuse/opportunity to squeeze this out. It was always the story I should have written, but very unlikely that I would have, otherwise. ^^;


[1] It had to be Akira because Hikaru isn't good enough at math. I'M SORRY BUT IT'S TRUE.

Date: 2006-09-25 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fyredancer.livejournal.com
This one, of all of them, stayed with me the longest. It was absolutely wrenching.

Date: 2006-09-25 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Glad you liked it! Or that it made an impression at any rate. ^^;

I think I'm not so much working on technique, these days, as I'm working on feeling.

Date: 2006-09-25 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] card-mistress.livejournal.com
You've probably heard this a trillion billion times... But I love this. I really do love this. And yeah, it does give you this aching, lasting impression. The philosophy bits, Platonic ideal, was a brilliant additon. A pat on the back with tons of <3 for providing the fandom with such an incredible fic. :)

Date: 2006-09-25 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
No problem. ^^ And I'm v. glad you enjoyed the story.

Date: 2006-09-25 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dijeron.livejournal.com
I find it interesting that you forget that HikaGo is a supernatural series. XD I tend to be the opposite (maybe because I'm go blind? Srsly, I suck at go). Even so, it rather resonated for me, and I do wish I had written it. (I'll think about it for a while, and see if anything rattles out in response....)

Date: 2006-09-25 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Great compliment coming from you. ^^

I think because, after a given point, it's much more naturalistic than yr avg shounen manga? No Secret Fiery Wuxia Go Techniques, no junior high extramurals playing at genius professional levels (explicitly not, in fact). Real tournament titles, real physical settings. Emotionally naturalistic as well: Sai may be a ghost but the way Hikaru reacts to him, etc.

Basically for me it's a wave-the-wand-once story: introduce one element that's out of the ordinary and watch the repercussions. DN is exactly the same (when I think about the two series I keep getting hit on the head with parallels).

Date: 2006-09-25 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com
Holy crap, Sabina. That took me like, four times to realize what was going on (plus a reading of the author's notes), but oh my god. Ashiwara's part just slays me.

Date: 2006-09-26 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Oh, man, I think I wrote so much for the Author's Notes because I have no real idea how comprehensible the story is. XD;; IT MAKES SENSE IN MY HEAD.

(Uh, apart from the fact that I'm not actually too sure what happened to Akira. Hopefully no one will ask hard questions lalala.)

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Date: 2006-09-25 07:00 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] issen4.livejournal.com
It had to be Akira because Hikaru isn't good enough at math. I'M SORRY BUT IT'S TRUE

Hee.

This was so good. I started out a little dubious by the script format, then I just kept reading it, amazed and a little scared by the conclusions I was drawing, and then felt like someone had hit me from the inside of my head when I got to the end.

You really brought out the supernatural aspect of this series, and making it metaphysical at the same time? Beautiful. I love the idea of a Go computer program like the one you described--wonderful and eerie at the same time.

Date: 2006-09-26 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Thanks muchly. ^^ I was consciously trying to ease the reader into the fic, I think (insofar as I make any kind of conscious judgment call when I'm writing that fast), because much of it is so, well, talking-heads.

P.S. I really loved Just Add Water. ♥ (I found it startling, as someone else remarked on the anon thread, that there were so many stories in which Hikaru disappears, or the universe is such that he and Akira never meet and fall into their rivalry. Precisely because I was thinking of it in terms of 'proofs by contradiction'. XD)

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Date: 2006-09-25 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unearthly-calm.livejournal.com
I enjoyed reading your story very much. It made me think as well as feel, which is rare for fanfiction.
I'm also very curious about the research you did on the story. Are there any academic papers or articles available online that you found particularly interesting? I would be most interested in reading them.

Date: 2006-09-26 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Someone asked! XD

Wikipedia on computer go (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Go)

Genetic algorithms (comp.ai.genetic FAQ) (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/faqs/ai/genetic/top.html)

I can't seem to find the original paper I read on thermography (iirc it was Japanese), but here's a page on it (http://senseis.xmp.net/?Thermography)

I'm totally not an expert, just gleaned enough so I could get the tone of the fic right. ^^;

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Date: 2006-09-25 09:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] qem_chibati
XD @ footnote.

I just wanted to wanted to come by and thank you for posting the explanation as well. I'm glad that I wasn't way off with working out what happened.

I greatly enjoyed the fic; I was iffy going in, but had my breath taken away by the time I came out. =D

Date: 2006-09-26 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Glad you enjoyed! And thanks, I'm more relieved to know that I managed to make it comprehensible than anything. XD

Date: 2006-09-25 10:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flonnebonne
Just re-read the fic, and it's like being hit by a Mack truck all over again.

Thank you for posting these author notes--it's quite a trip to find out that you've been building up to this fic for so long and that there was so much thought and research and personal feeling behind it. Also great to find out that such a fantastic fic can grow out of Hikaru being hit by a Mack truck. :)

I've been trying to figure out the identity of the interviewer (call me obsessed), but with no success. I think I've identified all of the interviewees (Akira, Waya, Tsutsui, original character, Touya Akiko, Ashiwara, Akari, and Hikaru), but who is MH? An original character?

Date: 2006-09-26 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Glad you liked it (and ha, that my rambles made some sense out of the four-year history of this fic in my head XD)!

The interviewer (Miguchi) is an origincal character, yes. It seemed the best way to get the interviewees to deliver the kind of background information I needed them to.

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Date: 2006-09-25 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] one-if-by-land.livejournal.com
this fic makes me want to cry. ;o; I need happy hikago fic, stat.

Date: 2006-09-26 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
*pats* Sorry I couldn't warn for it. XD

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Date: 2006-09-25 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesame-seed.livejournal.com
*woes at you* You know I can't read this, right? It sounds absolutely brilliant and fascinating from what I can glean off this post -- and I'm not exaggerating a bit -- but AKIRA.

*woes some more*

Date: 2006-09-26 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Wimp! XD And after making me sink my whole day into that monster epic, too.

Date: 2006-09-25 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canis-m.livejournal.com
From a position of HikaGo iggernance I thought it was completely brill. I was able to follow enough that it trampled on my little heart. Am reassured to hear that the Mack truck business was all lies, though. I mean I didn't think a Jump series would end like that, but. XD;

Date: 2006-09-26 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
The canon covers some of the same ground, truthfully speaking (otherwise a story like this'd be pushing it regardless). At the same time it's one of the sunniest, gentlest shounen manga around. Like, um, Death Note's non-evil twin.

(This is really... I don't think I've ever gotten this much feedback for one of my fics. Certainly not within a week-long period.)

Date: 2006-09-25 11:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bell
Leave it to you to make a concept this crazy work.

Akari's section was definitely the sadest.

I'm feeling confused and yet it all fits? If that makes sense.

Date: 2006-09-26 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
*scratches head* I was intentionally going for an effect of "Oh yeah, definitely Sabina, no one else is this insane," and it seems to have worked. XD

(Like the last fic I wrote in this infodump style - the Yukikaze one back in March - I can only hope that it all makes sense to people other than me. ^^;)

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Date: 2006-09-26 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angrybabble.livejournal.com
kurse you and your awesomeness! (Yes, I got bored and May's comments in # re: fic were intriguing so I read it even though I have no idea what was going on, but I can SENSE that it was, uh, good. And stuff. Yeah. >_>)

Date: 2006-09-26 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
I still think you should read it! You can get it off someone, right? XD

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Date: 2006-09-27 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shimizu-hitomi.livejournal.com
Hello, found this post and the fic that goes with it through somewhat of a roundabout way, since I haven't really dabbled in Hikago fandom for a few years.

And not that I'm saying anything new at all, but of all the [livejournal.com profile] blind_go pieces, your entry was definitely the one that stuck with me most. Just considering the writing aspect of it, it's wonderfully crafted. I love how distinct each voice is, and how all the fragments piece together. As others have said before me, the opening and closing bits frame the piece beautifully.

And even better is the fact that I am myself a go player (was already playing prior to the series, which is probably one of the reasons I can't bring myself to stick around in fandom -- too close to reality for me) and interested in computer go as well. I mean, if this is the Hikago fic you've always wanted to write... I think it's the Hikago fic I've always wanted to read.

So thanks for writing it. I enjoyed it a lot. :D

Date: 2006-11-02 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
(Finally getting to the comments backlog, apologies. ^^;)

Glad you enjoyed it, and especially glad that it made sense to a player who was also interested in computer go. ^^ I do have a comp sci background but my understanding of both go and AI problems is largely superficial, so. XD

Date: 2006-09-27 09:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] missitar
::comes out of the woodwork, as is prone to happen periodically::

If it's at all reassuring, here's another perspective from which everything made sense (except I didn't identify Tsutsui, since I forgot his first name began with a 'K' and was confused as to how Touya Kouyou was still alive). Although is the definitive version of things that Touya builds a computer program to replicate Shindou, instead of Shindou coming back from the beyond ala Sai?

I really liked this--both the detail of everything you researched and the premise, which is as depressing as anything but rings really true. I like your writing a lot in general, honestly. Thanks for writing and sharing this!

Date: 2006-11-02 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
(finally answering comments ^^;)

...The definitive version is a Schrödinger Cat. XD Either possibility can be true, or in fact both possibilities can be simultaneously true. The subtext of the interview structure is that even a primary source is only a faceted approach to the truth.

Glad you liked the fic!

Date: 2006-10-03 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com
Did not guess it was you. Completely oblivious because the piece was so unlike your normal style (though in hindsight the topic of the piece really should've been a clue.) I found the whole thing fascinating, evolution of humanity through go and grief (I may possibly get over Hikaru dying sometime in the distance future, but as it is; TRAUMA!) From about the 3rd part onwards I kept on hoping it wasn't what I thought it was, kept on praying because I like my heart whole and happy. But as the fic progressed I realised it could only end one way: Hikaru dead (TRAUMA! *CRIES*).

My mind keep on returning to the topic of how Touya manages to pull off what he did. Keep on thinking about sleepless nights, talking with Isumi, travelling to China and returning more driven and more obsessive than ever.

Also; like you I always forget that Hikago is supernatural. Every, single time.

(P.S. What does push Touya over?)

Date: 2006-11-02 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
(finally answering comments orz)

I was nowhere as obvious in this fic as I thought I was. *g* I'd actually intended it to be clear from the very beginning that Hikaru was dead and get the trauma over with? Ahaha. Then I re-read it a month later and was like, "...The commenters are right, it's not clear at all until two-thirds of the way through."

I'm not sure what happens to Touya precisely, to be honest. ^^; It came out in such a way that everyone talked about him in the past tense, but... maybe he scanned himself in to join Shindou in the electronic ether. >_>

Date: 2006-10-18 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] via-inertia.livejournal.com
This fic was absolutely brilliant. I don't think I've ever read anything that created such resonance in my soul. When I was done, I sat around, trying desperately to wrap my brain around what happened and connect the plot to the emotions conjured. Needless to say, I made little progress, and proceeded to visually (or digitally) molest your journal for this breakdown and got: "Hikaru gets hit by a Mack truck". Ahaha... awesome.

But down to business. The disjointed nature of the story was perfect. The plot wasn't laid out for the reader, rather somewhat pieced together, but the emotional consistency was very strong, tangible almost. You controlled the ebb and flow of emotion flawlessly and achieved that fragmented, jerky feel most film-festival movies aspire for. Despite the fact that we never "met" Touya after the first scene, Hikaru's homemade movie really brought Touya's loss and pain into perspective and drove it home. His sadness was outlined, something we could fully comprehend and feel, conveyed with a tenderness that was palpable in the most painful, lovely way.

I know this is just another gushy, praise-filled review, but you need to know how great this fic was. Such technical mastery is a rarity, even among the many talented writers in fandoms today. Thank you so much for writing this fic.

Date: 2006-11-02 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
(Finally getting to the comments backlog, I've been away ^^;) And thank you for taking the time to write this review! I've rarely (possibly never) gotten this much feedback for one of my stories, and I'm glad it came off well that people enjoyed it. :)

Date: 2007-04-16 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldenagemod.livejournal.com
This fic has been recced on [livejournal.com profile] goldenagefic.

Date: 2007-08-02 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waterfairy.livejournal.com
...I stumbled across this fic due to the ihikago group. Your story was so poignant and heart wrenching. And the part that really struck me was Akari's part. I've found that she's the one character that's usually pushed aside because well...even in the manga, she's pushed aside. But yet she was still an important part in Hikaru's life and I don't know... her conversation with the interviewer, how she prayed that she would be the one to die and not Hikaru because she knew how Touya would feel...how his mother would feel...It made me want to cry.
And the way you ended the story, with Hikaru filming himself...well, lets just say I needed to go get the tissues.
I'm really glad that you dusted the idea off and wrote this story.
So thank you.

Date: 2007-08-04 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamsocool12345.livejournal.com
I'm not the only one fanning a year too late, apparently. :3 Compelled to say this is gorgeous.
From: [identity profile] urei-sachi.livejournal.com
*u* I could build a shrine for you.

Date: 2009-05-02 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fukuyama.livejournal.com
hun, its much late, but would u give me the link to the voice rec version made for this? please? :)

Date: 2009-07-19 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Hi - not sure but it's been posted at [livejournal.com profile] ihikago. ^^

Date: 2009-07-19 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] invitan.livejournal.com
*Breathless* Your fic is utterly beautiful/wonderful/fascinating and is everything that I cannot express in words. I love the voice, the tone of voice, the order, probably everything about this fic. (And again, I'm too lost for word to actually say anything about it).

And one more thing, I'm so so in love with this piece that I really want to translate it into Vietnamese, my mother tongue, to share it with all the HnG fans that I know. Of course I would give you credit and everything (I definitely would link back to your fic and such). I just hope you would give me the permission.

Thank you for having written this *still wanna cry*

Date: 2009-07-19 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
No problem at all - just send me the link once you're done. Glad you liked the fic! ^_^

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Date: 2011-06-03 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rex-sun.livejournal.com
Okay, uhm, I know I am like five years late for this fic and I don't even know if it's proper to leave a review in this situation. In fact it might be a little bit creepy. For that, I apologize. But I couldn't get away with not leaving my own little drop in the bucket, my own late, late word of how amazing this story is.

So creepiness aside: I have been in and out of love with Hikaru no Go for a long time, but I've never participated in the fandom (except for one teensy, measly fic just recently). However, thinking about hng recently, I searched for any livejournal posts about it. To me, it seems that hng fandom is dead now, because I only found posts marked five, four, three years ago. But nevertheless I found some very old Rec lists, and on one of them was this fic.

This, I have to tell you, is technical genius. It is all so painstakingly laid out, so planned and polished and perfect. Every line is placed in just the way it should be; there are pauses just when a pause is needed; the sections are so clean, so well-contained. The speakers are captured perfectly, from the formal tone in writing (Ashiwara) to the very natural-reading flow of personal interviews.

But just as great as the technicalities is the emotional power. The mood is a punch to the gut, all-encompassing. There is not a moment that does not fit with the tone. Even the silly parts of Hikaru's videos are captured with perfection, because precisely they are videos, mere recordings, echoes.

The stringed pieces tell just enough for me, and leave out just enough for me-- the general air of mystery is so very congruous to the facts, even. For instance, all the mentions that the Sai project is something Akira did alone, or especially Ashiwara's email. These all look at the Sai project from the outside, which is exactly where the reader should be, on the outside just as the researcher is. The reader is the researcher, even, and so the reader is pulled in and dragged along with the whole fic. So the information left out-- Akira's ultimate fate, Kouyo's last game --really only makes it more real. As you say, what is missing is what defines the piece as a whole.

The entire thing is pieced together just right. Some writers know about technicality, and some writers know about emotion, and you, ma'am, know about both, and that is amazing. I finished reading this and fell into some sort of contemplative stupor. I think my brain melted or something of the sort. The piece is so very inspiring.

That's why I took the time to write this comment, about five years after the writing of this piece. Again, I'm sorry for the awkwardness, but I just had to let you know. Writing this great deserves to be recognized many years after the fact.

Date: 2011-06-16 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com
Thank you for writing such a lovely comment! (I wanted to answer earlier, but it slipped through the cracks. ^^;) And please don't worry about being awkward, for better or for worse this is probably my most "famous" fic on the Internet XD;, and I'm glad it still strikes a chord with readers.

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