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Petronia ([personal profile] petronia) wrote2007-09-05 12:21 am
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New glasses = urgent & key

So apparently it tasks my vision to follow a PowerPoint presentation from the back of a classroom that seats fifty people? Yeah. Not slides filled with meeny text, either.

Stuff-I've-read updates:

Fullmetal Alchemist vol.9: where I'm at now (series currently serves as my commute reading). At this point the storyline's pretty much diverged from the anime, and it's funny how disorienting I find it - doesn't fit well into the usual conceptual boxes. XD It's a shounen manga that doesn't have story arcs. It's a quest narrative that goes in circles. And so on. Stuff seems to happen mainly as a result of the last thing that happened. Characters with a stake in the proceedings are introduced, their psychology is developed, then they die (not unlike Death Note). Meanwhile "colour" characters resurface unexpectedly. I also can't grasp the "moe value" at all, which is kind of weird because I know there's a huge fandom and I don't usually deviate that far from the fangirl mean. XD;

Structurally the entire thing is the third act of a Monkey's Paw story, after the devastating unexpected consequences, when the characters are trying to return to status quo. They're looking for the - nebulously defined - piece of information that will get them there, and practically every action or event in the series hinges on access to or withholding of information, by someone, from someone (author and reader included). Often enough the reader gets hold of information but Ed and Al don't, which makes it difficult to mark their progress. And a lot of times Things just crazily happen (ex. Scar). I'm oddly frustrated by this. XD Like, once I get to volume 30 I'd better look back and see that it makes sense in retrospect that each specific Thing happened when it did.

Most shounen manga is about process really - here's a pie-in-the-sky goal, now about the friendship, courage and hard work that get you there. Or: here's a case, now learn by solving the problem how it relates back to you, past and present. This might change, but up to date I'm not certain what kind of growth the process of the third act instigates in Ed and Al as people (the first two acts, sure). Instead I keep thinking past the goal itself. So they figure out how to get back to status quo. Then what? What do they do with themselves? Or they find the opportunity cost is too high again, in whatever sense. Again, then what?

The anime addresses some of these but the manga gives me the feeling that any answers forthcoming are waaaaay far down the line.

The best hope I have is that the mangaka really is painstakingly putting together a very large jigsaw puzzle and it's just at the stage where even the pieces that fit together have no greater context in which to relate to each other. XD Will know more once I finish up to vol.16, I guess.

[identity profile] tsutanai.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
And... maybe that's part of the reason why I stopped reading it, hm. (Honestly, I don't know why I stopped. Just lost interest one day a year and a half ago, far as I can figure.)

[identity profile] corneredangel.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
So apparently it tasks my vision to follow a PowerPoint presentation from the back of a classroom that seats fifty people?

The vaguely disturbing thing about being in a small program is that so far, like *six* of my eight classes have been in the same two rooms.

...and from back when in undergrad, I know that my vision is shit. So, no shame *at all* about just plopping down behind the desk closest to the blackboard.

...though also helps that when the professor calls on me, or even just looks vaguely desperately in my direction, I usually know what I'm talking about...

[identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha, same here. And the issue is more that I have to make it to class 10 minutes in advance in order to get one of the closest seats...
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[personal profile] prototypical 2007-09-05 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
I've never been able to get into the FMA anime - Cartoon Network dubbed voices being to blame - but is the manga worth picking up?

Not that I need another shounen series to follow, GTO and Samurai Deeper Kyo are plenty long enough

[identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Story-wise the first few volumes aren't vastly different from the anime, which I found very compelling. It should be worth a try, at least. *g*
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[identity profile] celestriad.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
i've been following the series chapter by chapter, and i find that i've kind of been forgetting what's going on because of the time between chapters. maybe if i sit down and read them consecutively i might get a better picture of the overall flow and direction of the story. it's so sad that i've lost that sense over time. -_-;

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Possibly it's being a shounen fan that makes you unsatisfied with FMA. I'm not one, and I like it just fine. Here the journey not the arrival matters. (Granted, I'm also a Saiyuki fan, where the journey *is* the plot.) Getting back to status quo seems a perfectly reasonable goal to me, especially as I'm quite convinced they won't. They'll just keep on leading something that closely echoes the randomness of real life, only with homunculi.

Helps, yes, if you like the characters; which I do. Helps to be a fan of unrevealed backstory, which this has. But I still never get that deadly whiff of following one's nose/ we're only here for the fights that hangs over any Jump series I can think of off-hand.

[identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I was thinking it read a little like Saiyuki, and maybe I'm not rabidly fannish about it for the same reason I'm not over Saiyuki (OTOH I see the moe value very well with the latter XD). Not sure it's because I'm inherently less interested in the journey than the arrival though; more like because the goal is interesting, in this series. I mean, who cares if Luffy really finds the One Piece, or Seishun Gakuen really wins the junior high tennis championship, or Hikaru really attains the Hand of God, yanno? :P It's an abstraction. What looms at the end of FMA isn't an abstraction, it's a confrontation, even if it looks nothing like what Ed and Al imagine it will look like (and it won't).

So when I see progress, it's all good, but when I don't je piƩtine. It actually feels to me like nose-following, big time (so does Saiyuki). Whereas Jump series... should be read very quickly in large chunks, anyhow. XD

I also love backstory but thus far I've gotten it all from the anime, so. XD

[identity profile] ibythetide.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I was unable to get into/stay attatched to FMA which is very odd as the series has all the things that I enjoy. I believe the pacing got to me and like you mentioned, a distinct lack of progress in the journey. Or maybe I'm projecting that thought. On the other hand, from what I remember, there's little rehasing of story lines to advance plot, yeah, Bleach, I'm totally looking at you right now.

So I'm asking, would it be worth picking up the series again now that I'm a little older?

[identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com 2007-09-11 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know that getting older would have anything to do with it. XD The narrative feels very much like an organic whole to me - there's no point at which the story arguably "takes off" (or "jumps the shark", for that matter). So probably if you didn't get into it the first time around... OTOH I always give everything a couple of chances, personally.
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[personal profile] dipping_sauce 2007-09-05 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you going to get new frames or just new lenses?

[identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com 2007-09-07 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
The purpose is new lenses but since taking these frames away in order to put new lenses on them is a no-go... XD

[identity profile] darksumomo.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
IMHO, there are few series in which the anime is superior to the manga. Revolutionary Girl Utena is one. Fullmetal Alchemist is another--the screenwriters came up with an alternate storyline/ending during the second season that wraps things up more neatly than anything so far in the manga.
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[identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
KEEP GOING. Somewhere after the manga breaks off irreconcilably from the anime, it picks up a plot that is much, much larger than Ed and Al's personal goals. That's when you realize that the manga is not about their journey or goals the way the anime is, it's really about What's Wrong with Amestris, and the quest to restore their bodies is just the motivating force that brings them into contact with the Greater Forces at Work.

Re: moe, it's hard getting a grip on the manga because there are characters like Ed who are like right out of violent gag manga (have you read Prince Zushio?) but the themes are serious, serious, serious. You can laugh when it's Zushio getting his arms chopped off because he's indestructible, but is it really that funny when Ed gets brained with the wrench, considering that the violence on the Eastern Border is systematic genocide?

Speaking of genocide, it used to bother me that Arasawa would pull out these totally horrific events as well as heavy themes like racism or war crimes or personal responsibility, and not discuss them, but lately Ed has started to have those conversations and now I kind of want to go back to the way it was before. -_-; Your whole race and way off life were wiped out, but my friend lost both parents, so we're equal! In-character for Ed, but it offends my delicate North American sensitives.

So in conclusion, it's weird. ^^; You have to detach to read it, but you can't detach all the way, or there's no point. Also, like you said, your ability to read on really hinges on how much faith you have in the author. Which explains why so many FMA-manga fan-communities look kind of like Arakawa-cult communities. XD; Not sure how I feel about that. But I do think she knows what she's doing, and I do want to know how it ends.

Maybe I'm just trying to forget the end of the anime (meaning, the movie), which I am still extremely bitter about. XD

[identity profile] petronia.livejournal.com 2007-09-11 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
I don't actually have much trouble with the conflation of gag and ultra-serious, because... it's a function of the genre. XD Trigun, Saiyuki, Peace Maker are all like that. One panel of Lulz to one of Horrific Shit. J calls it "gamer manga" but I don't think it necessarily correlates - it may be part of GanGan's house style, though.

Anyway I got over the heavy themes with the anime, which I basically watched with a thought bubble hanging over my head to the effect of "NOT ABOUT AFGHANISTAN DAMMIT." (Or is it???) I thought it was neat that one got to see how deeply FUBAR the country was by demonstration before anyone started talking about something being rotten in the state of Amestris. But then, insofar as talking goes every conversation not involving Ed and Al in the series is based on hints, inference, and need-to-know.

I guess it really is the non-linearity that bugs me. XD; Halfway through volume 12 and it is putting together a jigsaw puzzle of information, so. I can't help framing it as Ed And Al's Quest For Redemption because Elric brotherly love is basically my emotional hook into the series. Looking ahead, yeah, it's pretty obvious that much empirically bigger changes are going to take place - by saving themselves they'll save the world, or they'll have to choose between the two goals, or something.

In several instances I thought the anime version/explanation of What Happened is superior to the manga's, in terms of packing a punch. The ending isn't one of them though (too much like cheating XD).
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[identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com 2007-09-11 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but Trigun and Saiyuki aren't about Afghanistan. XD;; We're talking larger issues than just personal angst here -- and that violence is never of the hilarious or exploitative type. (Unless you look at Scar, who might be the manga world's only woobie mascot fanatic terrorist serial killer...XD) It's an odd set of messages to fit into that format, that's all I'm saying -- these things are usually powered by some existential nonsense.

I love puzzles, so. XD Don't need an emotional hook, puzzling out who did what and when and for what reason is enough for me. But I agree that the anime was much more effective in terms of really bringing out the trauma, especially in the scenes where Ed young and vulnerable (in contrast to brash exterior). The manga discusses this, but only for like one page, and we don't even see Ed's expression! Actually, the anime was so much better than the manga in this, that I couldn't read the manga back then -- but I guess it's been long enough by now that I've kind of forgotten what the anime was like.

Cheating, and Hughes was a Nazi. JUST SAYING.